The Dutch are no treat


Dr. Veith muses upon the descent into depravity of the world's most morally backward society: Holland.

Holland is also probably the most pagan society on Earth. Dr. Veith also notes that Northern Europeans see religion as "toxic," and hold President Bush and American society in general in contempt for their openly expression of religious faith.

In both cases, he wonders whether we might be headed down the same sorry path.
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Anonymous said…
Personally I consider drug use as mala prohibita and not mala in se. So, as far as drugs go, I can't agree that drug use (responsible drug use--alcohol, cigarettes, etc...)is immoral. It may be illegal, but it isn't immoral. What is immoral is being a drunk and not providing for your family. Or being a heroin junky who is too high to serve the community. But the person or persons who enjoy smoking a joint with friends outside a cafe can hardly be called immoral. Those who speak such things are channeling the zeitgeist.

As far as marriage goes, I don't believe that either the state or the church are authorized to validate or invalidate a marriage. Is there any place in Scripture, I may have missed it, where God has given the church the power to validate or invalidate a marriage?

Does what I've said above mean that I'm for everybody getting wicked stoned and screwing each other at will? NO!!! I am pro-responsibility in both drug use--and alcohol is a drug--and marriage.
1/01/2006 11:59:00 AM
Anonymous said…
Certainly the use of drugs such as alcohol in moderation is perfectly moral. Alcohol abuse, or the use of drugs which, pe se, harm one's health or even kill is immoral by definition. That includes marijuana, BTW; it's those who suggest otherwise who ignore the medical evidence, and channel the zeitgeist!

As do those who define the marriage issue in terms of who allegedly has the authority to "define" an institution whose definition has never until now, in all of human history, been challenged. Marriage was established in the garden of Eden. It's a relationship between a man and a woman. It's not a question of whether anyone- church, state, or whoever- has the right to define marriage. God has- from the very beginning, defined marriage- and neither the State nor the culture have the authority to re-define it.

Very honestly, your post seems to elevate personal liberty above one's stewardship for one's own body and person, and to replace God with an idol of personal preference. It's hard for me to reconcile it with any worldview which would particularly find what Scripture says to be of any particular interest.
1/01/2006 06:04:00 PM
Anonymous said…
BTW, I do not address above the passages in Scripture which clearly label homosexual activity and fornication immoral. Again, it's hard to reconcile your argument with any particular concern for Scripture, and I believe that you misidentify the issue when you ask who has the authority to define something whose definition has never truly been at issue. The average partner in a gay "marriage," for example, has eight other sexual partners in the course of a year. The attempt to redefine marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with marriage; it's all about gaining social acceptance for homosexuality and other deviant sexual arrangements. That socially degenerate societies like Holland accept such things doesn't change the fact that what they're accepting, both Scripture and
the entire history of Western culture has, for good reason, stigmatized and rejected.
1/01/2006 06:08:00 PM
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